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  Ethos said: ''the GB have never claimed to have any special ability'' Some WT quotes..

  by punkofnice in

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  (wt 1957 june 15 p. 370) .

  watchtower 1957 june 15 p.370 "it is vital that werespond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of god.

  " (wt 1964 june 15 p. 365) .

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  Wow. Awesome research here. Saving/bookmarking. Thank you.
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  The everlasting saga of The faithful and discreet slave class.

  by MacHislopp in

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  at the 128th annual meeting of the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, on october 6 th 2012 .

  during this meeting “food at the proper time” was given and the most important, was given during a symposium of six talks by members of the governing body—brothers jackson, lösch, pierce, herd, lett, and splane— which analyzed and discussed the meaning of jesus’ words recorded at.

  " (matthew 24: 45, 46) it must be conceded, then, that at the end ot the world, at the "time of the end", during the presence of the lord, during the harvest, he would have in the earth a servant who would be faithful and wise.

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  Help me find a post please, re: listening to GB/FDS=listening to God

  by Muddy Waters in

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  agh, i can't find a post... somebody asked a question looking for various quotes where the wts equated following their words to following god's words.. there was an excellent discussion with lots of wt articles quoted... including a scan of a 1942 or 1943 wt article.

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  would appreciate the link, would like to bookmark.. thank you so much.

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  AudeSapere.... WOW, thank you for going to all this trouble. Definitely going to save this page and all these great links! There is a ton of information provided here that exposes the WTS's arrogance and total lack of humility.
  
  A friend of mine suggested this link: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/232780/1/Can-you-list-watchtower-articles-that-claim-anything-from-the-faithful-slave-should-be-taken-as-from-jehovah-himself

  and that is the one I had been looking for!

  I see all these links will keep me busy for quite awhile! Thank you again!
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  Help me find a post please, re: listening to GB/FDS=listening to God

  by Muddy Waters in

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  agh, i can't find a post... somebody asked a question looking for various quotes where the wts equated following their words to following god's words.. there was an excellent discussion with lots of wt articles quoted... including a scan of a 1942 or 1943 wt article.

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  would appreciate the link, would like to bookmark.. thank you so much.

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  It was within the past few days.... turned up in "Active Topics" a day or two ago.... but now I can't find it, argh.
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  Help me find a post please, re: listening to GB/FDS=listening to God

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  agh, i can't find a post... somebody asked a question looking for various quotes where the wts equated following their words to following god's words.. there was an excellent discussion with lots of wt articles quoted... including a scan of a 1942 or 1943 wt article.

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  would appreciate the link, would like to bookmark.. thank you so much.

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  Agh, I can't find a post... somebody asked a question looking for various quotes where the WTS equated following their words to following God's words.

  There was an EXCELLENT discussion with lots of WT articles quoted... including a scan of a 1942 or 1943 WT article.

  Would appreciate the link, would like to bookmark.

  Thank you so much.
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  Watchtower's Weirdest Photograph?

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  watchtower's weirdest photograph?.

  you wont believe it when you see it.

  and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/10/watchtowers-weirdest-photograph.html.

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  Wow... what a joyless photo is right.

  There are also no photos or pictures on the wall, no curtains, no table decorations - unless you count the bowls of fruit on the tables that no one is eating...

  Hard to tell if the picture is low-res or was altered... so many of the people look plastic!
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  Who (not what) is your guilty pleasure? (Controversial favorites)

  by Terry in

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  we all have somebody we are crazy about that almost everybody can't stand.. if you mention their name your companions give you that "look" (ya know the one, like you just got caught picking your nose!).

  i was thinking about this the other day.

  i was truly curious if i'm mental or if everybody has a guilty pleasure list like i do.. i'm just going to assume we all do until you set me straight.. if you attach a photo and short explanation about why you like these pariahs it will be more meaningful.. .

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  Um, okay... now don't be throwing tomatos at me, but I actually (sometimes) like Rush Limbaugh....
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  Family Worship Night... ugh. How about this..?

  by Muddy Waters in

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  i now can't imagine anything more boring and stilted and stupifying than the way the wts instructs people to train and teach their children.. .

  we're to sit at a table with one of their horrid, boring, dry, frightening publications.

  read a paragraph, look up a scripture or scripture snippet, then ask the question.. .

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  Family Worship Night (Muddy's Way)

  I now can't imagine anything more boring and stilted and stupifying than the way the WTS instructs people to train and teach their children.

  We're to sit at a table with one of their horrid, boring, dry, frightening publications. Read a paragraph, look up a scripture or scripture snippet, then ask the question.

  Repeat.

  Repeat.

  Repeat.

  Kids get cranky, hate the study, mom and dad don't even want to do it. Too awful. Too boring. Too regimented. Too Watchtower-y and smarmy.

  How can learning anything about the Bible -- oop, excuse me, I mean learning anything in this manner that the GB says the Bible says -- be in any way appealing?

  Well, it isn't.

  In the shower the other day, I imagined a whole scenario…. hope you don't mind indulging me… :)

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  First of all, a visit from an elder. "Sister Muddy! We missed you at the meeting the other night. Hope you're doing all right?"

  Sister Muddy (SM): "Couldn't be better! Had a great evening with my family!"

  Elder Nosy/Busybody/Insincere-Trying-to-be-Sincere: "Oh, so all of you were fine then? Nobody was sick or anything?"

  SM: "Not at all! We're all doing great. We had a wonderful evening doing Family Worship!"

  Elder Schmuck (his name is interchangeable with so many types of names…): "But… surely you know this was the Service meeting night meeting?"

  SM: "Oh yes, of course. But our family gets too bored at the meeting. We've decided to read the Bible on our own and talk about it."

  Elder Aghast: "But, but… surely you know … (blah, blah, blah… can't make myself type out the drivel and pap and schtuff he'd say… but we all can imagine it!)

  SM: Let me tell you about our Family Worship night. We don't even call it that because it sounds way too formal and regulated/regimented. Totally freaks everybody out, you know?

  SM (continuing): The family and I will pick out a story from the Bible, we'll read it from the New Living Translation, or The Message Bible, or Common English Bible -- you know, something that actually sounds good when you read it and seems friendly and appealing. Or we'll pick up a nice little Bible story book from a Christian book store, has awesome little pictures with fluffy clouds and pouffy sheep and smiling shepherds… no violence or bloodshed or people being clobbered and stabbed and pushed off buildings or drowned while others stand by and laugh… we'll read one of those nice fluffy stories which our little children love so much better and which doesn't scare them to death and give them nightmares and pee the bed and cry for the light to be left on, and let me tell you what happens after that.

  SM: Well, Dad (my husband) decided he'd be Balaam's donkey and let the kids ride him around the living room. The kids had a great time! We were all laughing and wrestling around and little Bobby got to be the angel. Then Suzie wanted a turn. We all got into it.

  The other night Daddy decided to be Goliath and Bobby was young David. That was quite a fun night! "Goliath" kept falling down and knocking the coffee table over, which kept the kids in stitches, even though they were supposed to be the mighty Philistine army in the background. Ha, I bet they never forget these type of evenings and stories for the rest of their lives.

  We made some popcorn and pretended to be stranded on an island after our boat crashed near the isle of Malta. Suzie pretended to be the snake which bit Paul. She sure had fun sneaking around under the table legs while we all pretended not to notice her.

  And did I tell you what we did when we learned about Jonah?

  Elder Programmed Propoganda/No-Fun-At-All: "Really, this is most unconventional. The Society does not advocate teaching your children without using the publications, nor does it encourage missing meetings to do your own personal study of the Bible…"

  SM: "Oh yes, do we know all about that. But we're finding out that we're actually learning MORE this way, and even discovering new things, interesting things, amazing things, and the kids are actually enjoying it!

  We've discovered Christian FREEDOM and the fact that we are all individually accountable to God. This is extremely important to us as a family. Even the NWT says that each one of must stand alone before God. And that each one of us is either accused or excused by our actions and conduct.

  We've learned that we are not to put our trust in nobles nor in earthing man, by whom no one can get saved.

  We've learned that organized religion is a snare and a racket. Hm. Seems I've heard that somewhere before…

  Anyway, we've also learned that there is one mediator between God and man, who is Jesus. And that it is only through him that we might be saved.

  In short, Elder Society-Man/Good-Old-Boy/Company-Man, we are discovering that we don't need the regimented, regulated, man-made religious body of the WTS to dictate what our family should learn. We are, for the first time, really enjoying our lives and our fun, happy, playful moments - with and without the Bible - and without the frightening scare tactics of the WTS and its program of fear, guilt, and never-ending busy-work to grind us down.
  We can also enjoy our family moments without worrying that an elder might start talking at the meeting about things like oral sex, bestiality, or necrophilia! for pete's sake, in front of our little children.

  So, if you'll excuse me, our family was just about to read Matthew 23 and have some fun with that. Maybe you'd like to join us? I'm sure we could find a part for you to play...

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  Hee hee. I had quite a nice shower imagining all this.

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  Witness Speak: the worst of collection

  by grumblecakes in

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  so we all know the jw vocabulary is a weird one.

  what words or phrases bugged you the most?.

  a few of mine:.

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  Muddy Waters

  "mental-regulating" - especially creepy when applied, as it is, to training and "disciplining" little children.

  - New World Translation - just ugh, all of it

  - being REGULAR in field service, meeting attendance, etc.

  - blood fractions

  - give double honor to.... "glorious ones".... elders/P.O.'s/C.O.'s/D.O.'s/B.O.'s/GBM's, etc

  - "how much more so...."

  - "Be sure to tell so-and-so (family member who is trying to fade) that we missed seeing them at the meeting!" Um, no. You can tell them so yourself. But they really don't want to hear from you, so don't bother with your phony and insincere "caring".
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  Weird stuff that only an exJW would know

  by biblecheck in

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  i was thinking tonight about all the wierd stuff that i viewed as totally normal being brought up as a jw.... here's my list.... - eating broken easter eggs after easter was not a sin.

  - your car always had to be clean in time for the co visit.

  - being assigned to the car park at a convention, with a walkie talkie, meant you had powerful connections.. - the amount of lines and hand writing on your sunday watchtower, spoke volumes of your spirituality.

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  - Male family heads always sit at the aisle seat. If his wife sits on the ailse seat, it could like she's trying to unsurp his headship.